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Post by Dobbers on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 11:50 am

Authentication maintenance



Looks like the authentication servers will be undergoing some maintenance this evening, March 16th from 11pm PST/2am EST to 1am PST/4am EST. Here's the full announcement:

So if you were planning on logging in tonight, you may want to do it before the maintenance starts. If there are any extensions to this maintenance, we'll be sure to let you know!


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Don't nerf me, bro!
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What I'm getting at is that threat should not be frustrating to hold, and the inability to tank large packs of mobs should not be because we just don't have the threat for it. Rather, the inability to tank large packs of mobs should come from the inability to survive large packs of mobs in the first place.

Yeah, we'd basically agree with that. The risk should be that the tank will die, not that the tank can't hold aggro. However I have to caveat that because otherwise any time anyone ever fails to hold aggro for whatever reason they'll blame it on their tools instead of taking some responsibility for hitting the right button or gearing correctly. Threat still needs to matter as a mechanic

And without launching into class warfare again, we think the paladin is a little too good in the AE department so we'd rather bring them down than bring everyone else up. You also need to compare tanks at the Naxx level, not the Icecrown level for purposes of threat.

Put succinctly, imagine all 4 tanks tank groups about as well as a warrior tanked groups in Naxx, but that the mobs hit harder and AE damage was a little lower such that you wanted to CC and single target more of the pulls (but not every pull -- there is still a place for Blizzarding them all down). That's the goal.

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My comment seemed to have confused a lot of people. The point was that we know we have a scaling problem where dps specs increase their dps by more than tanks increase their dps. Warrior AE tanking felt on target in Naxx but started slipping behind as the mages and rogues were improving their gear. I was trying to share our goal, which was that AE tanking should feel (at all levels, unless you're overgearing stuff) the way AE tanking in Naxx felt, with two exceptions: 1) AE damage is lower for the dps specs, 2) Sometimes those mobs in those packs hit harder such that just rounding them all up can be dangerous for the tank.

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And i am sick and tired of being the goddamn scapegoat class, I can name 3 classes right now that have been running around facerolling their way to 2200s in arenas since season 6, but the paladin is doing a little better on TRASH PULLS and the discussion of nerfs start coming up? Leave us the hell alone already, God. Damn. It.

"Don't nerf me bro."

You guys are welcome to post what you want (within limits), but I'm not personally interested in having another discussion in this thread about whether paladins are overpowered or repressed by the man.

My point was to share how we think AE tanking should feel (relatively easy to maintain threat but still asking the tank to actually stay awake and push buttons) and where the risks should be (the tank dies / the AE spamming becomes inefficient). We like the warrior model. They push more than one button. More generation is active than passive. They do still have to consider threat as a mechanic. That's more of what we're going for (again, the way it felt in earlier raid tiers. The threat has slipped behind as damage fell behind in later tiers). Druids by contrast can just spam Swipe, which gets boring. Paladins get too much benefit out of HoR + SoC (at the very least) such that they risk pulling off of other tanks but have relatively little chance of ever losing aggro to dps. The chance to lose threat can be relatively low, but it can't be absolutely trivial or we might as well let you spam Commanding Shout.


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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Dobbers on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:13 pm

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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Hivetyrant on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:16 pm

In regards to tanking multiple mobs, I find the only issue is when I am grouped with people with much better gear and no clue(?), because while I try and attack each of the enemies to keep threat high, i will generally focus on one (pally tank so I need to have judgement on something) and if the DPS decide to just attack one of the side mobs and smash it quickly, I can' keep up and have to switch>taunt>gain agro>switch which takes time.

Hope that makes sense, i'm new to tanking and am still figuring it out, but I know the fine users of wow.com will show me what i'm doing wrong!
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Post by Sky on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:19 pm

Just do the best you can. If dps who outgear you by a mile pulls aggro then its their own fault. Of course everyone, including me, prefers the high threat tank but you just gotta play with the hand you're dealt. If i get into a pug with a tank who is just starting to gear up i just lower my dps a bit so I don't pull aggro. I'm not saying that it's ok to suck if you're a tank but if you are absolutely doing everything you can and you're still losing threat then theres really nothing you can do about it.

I think the problem is that most dps players have been taught since they were born to do as much damage as possible. Most of these highly geared dps players are used to having tanks in similar gear level, class knowledge and raiding experience that is why they never have to worry about pulling aggro. Personally, I just concentrate on making the tank and healer's job as easy as possible. It's just a pug people no one's going to criticize you for doing less than 4k dps and if they do well just ignore them and carry on.
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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Dragoniel on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:22 pm

Mark the mob? Seriously, I can't remember when was the last time did I grouped with a tank, who cared enough to keybind "mark skull" and just press it when changing targets.

As a mage, I assist the tank on the pull (aka target the mob he is targeting at the moment) and keep going. On bigger pulls its hard to see what mob you are targeting out there in the mess. If you decide to switch targets for whatever reason we will be on a separate mobs. And if your threat is not very high you can lose control of the mob before I notice that I'm now attacking the wrong target.

Skull = "this is the primary target. I expect you to focus on him without any aoe damage"
X = "this is the secondary target. I expect you to switch targets and focus on him without hitting other mobs after the skull is dead"
Moon = "this target needs to be sheeped until it becomes primary"
Diamond = "this target needs to be CC'd in any way except fear until it becomes primary"
No marks = "there is no priority. Just kill them whatever way you wish in whatever order. I have strong threat on all of them"
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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Mike on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:26 pm

I just did 4.2k dps on a 4 mob pull in h-fos beating out 2/3 of the dps. I'm a off spec prot paladin in mostly badge gear, a couple 232 icc heroic pieces and a couple icc 10 pieces. Nothing special.

You have to admit.. that's a lot of dps.

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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Sky on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:28 pm

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mal%27Ganis&cn=Modk

Worlds First Shadowmourne goes to a DK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come to my page!
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Post by Sky on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:28 pm

and we should care why? Because you put countless hours of time towards pixels in a game? Grats bro, you totally accomplished something in life
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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Sky on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:28 pm

Sky Mar 17th 2010 12:36AM

Sorry I lost it there... the post just seemed so obnoxious.. pls downrate my earlier post
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Post by Hivetyrant on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:29 pm

Nah, he used far too many exclamation marks and was completely off-topic, he deserved what he got.

Although it is nice to finally see someone getting Shadowmourne
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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by NeoPhobos on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:34 pm

抱歉为张贴此在二条不同螺纹,但它在同一个愚笨的人给的评论之下为同一个愚笨的评论。
并且麦溪是太好以至于不能只一次列出。
“哇, congrats…
允许我扫视那军械库页。
Hmmmm…. 不是坏。 现在,让我介绍您给伟大的武器, “第一位评论家”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkz83VFEk1A
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Post by Avan on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:36 pm

您知道… 我认为飞雪应该改变他们的‘五次年周年纪念采访的’标题它离现在六[青少年的]年较近…
言…
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Post by remlap on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:38 pm

Ya know I gotta say... GC must have the patience of a saint to put up with all the crap that gets tossed around at him on the forums. That last guy is just totally out of line! I don't always agree with GC's conclusions on things but I can at least be nice about it.

Thanks Ghostcrawler for taking the the abuse.
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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by jurgenomics on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:41 pm

I'd like to see warriors be able to control groups of trash without having to wear out their tab key.
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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Ulrik on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:44 pm

什么是以对标记键的仇恨? I总tabtarget,当tanking的组装,没有问题,如果我在我的80适应的战士tanking,我80没有如此适应了熊或,当我成水平我的prot战士。 它是一个好tanking的惯例。
现在,如果您担心拉扯唯一目标的衰变/秒您,标记一块头骨(他们主要将是aoeing或劈开,因此您仍然需要选中)。 在衰变/秒忽略头骨之后,因为他们意志,和拉扯另一个暴民您,然后您能真正地开始对母狗。 并且不要告诉他们协助您的目标,如果您是您应该一直改变目标的一辆好坦克。 如果您想要一个暴民死者,标记它。

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Post by Felix on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:46 pm

哀伤地,一位技工飞雪不会修理在比赛是玩它的人民。 您做足够的PuGs,并且您开始意识到哇演奏的平民的多数是不能胜任的最基本的小组了悟。 肯定,一些是相当好伙计。 然而,看起来不外乎太多是自已中心,傲慢,不耐烦和争论的为了论据的自己的缘故。 如果仅Blizz可能莫名其妙地固定那。 我猜测我是否可能编组与4 NPCs和承担一个5人英勇,那会是惊人的。 可能下扩展,在剧变可以是正义的为对其他人在比赛是疲乏的人之后。 它将叫, “厌恶人类者!”
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Post by BobChaos on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:49 pm

呀,我同意。 我暂时相当有哇,直到cata出来。 我仍然爱比赛,但整体GS,重新计数,球员基地的一般asshat-edness太令人沮丧。 在以后长的天运作,当我在我喜爱的比赛时设法放松,我不想要必须应付一些完全任意孔,似乎约为90%球员基地后。 在我放弃了之前,我成了水平战士和开始适应他通常路线。 我为进入得到英国与的相当数量BS, OMG仅lvl 200项目,是难以相信的。 如果愈疗者did'nt汽车放弃了衰变/秒拉扯暴力行为每拉扯并且垂危,然后抱怨象傻瓜。
这一个热触点为衰变/秒: 如果您注意您一任意土牢与一辆更新的坦克,不要准备跑它,如他是6k GS。 是完全讨厌的另一件事是需要在所有tanking的齿轮的衰变/秒。 我是那里,明显地需要tanking的齿轮,并且每板材衰变/秒在tanking的材料需要,当它滴下了。 当那么许多ppl需要在tanking的齿轮,您认为他们是没有短缺在坦克。
我认为它结果烧坏。 所有好球员休假,直到新的内容到达,当活破坏比赛为其他紧贴象癌症的所有人时。 有希望地,在它发布了之后, cata将达到一个好的断裂从球员的那些类型为至少第一个6月或,因此。
无论如何,足够的QQ关于完全缺乏共同的礼貌在平均小组哇球员之中发现了。
我认为它结果烧坏。 所有好球员休假,直到新的内容到达,当活破坏比赛为其他紧贴象癌症的所有人时。 有希望地,在它发布了之后, cata将达到一个好的断裂从球员的那些类型为至少第一个6月或,因此。
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Post by Poggg on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 12:51 pm

:D
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Re: Authentication maintenance

Post by Heyro on Tue 06 Apr 2010, 6:18 pm

lol's:P
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